{"id":179662762,"date":"2025-11-22T18:27:55","date_gmt":"2025-11-22T18:27:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/2025\/11\/22\/%f0%9f%a5%81is-ringo-starr-a-better-drummer-than-john-bonham-keith-moon-ginger-baker-neil-peart\/"},"modified":"2026-04-18T18:24:04","modified_gmt":"2026-04-18T22:24:04","slug":"%f0%9f%a5%81is-ringo-starr-a-better-drummer-than-john-bonham-keith-moon-ginger-baker-neil-peart","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/2025\/11\/22\/%f0%9f%a5%81is-ringo-starr-a-better-drummer-than-john-bonham-keith-moon-ginger-baker-neil-peart\/","title":{"rendered":"&#x1f941;Is Ringo Starr a better drummer than John Bonham? Keith Moon? Ginger Baker? Neil Peart?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Why the Beatles\u2019 drummer remains rock\u2019s most debated percussionist\u2014and how his son chose a different path &#x1f941;<\/h2><h3>The Comparison Game<\/h3><p>Rolling Stone\u2019s list of the<strong> 100 Greatest Drummers<\/strong> placed Ringo Starr at number 14. <strong>John Bonham<\/strong> topped the list at number 1. <strong>Keith Moon<\/strong> came in at number 2.<\/p><p>On paper, that ranking makes sense. Bonham was a madman, a force of nature\u2014thunderous, improvisational, playing like he was teetering on the edge of a cliff. Dave Grohl spent years in his bedroom trying to emulate Bonham\u2019s swing and behind-the-beat swagger. \u201cNo one has come close to that since,\u201d Grohl wrote, \u201cand I don\u2019t think anybody ever will.\u201d<\/p><p>Keith Moon was chaos personified\u2014explosive, unpredictable, theatrical. He treated the drum kit like an instrument of controlled destruction, abandoning the traditional timekeeper role to become a lead voice in The Who\u2019s sound.<\/p><p>And Ringo? Ringo was neither of those things. He wasn\u2019t trying to be.<\/p><p>This is where the debate gets interesting. For sixty years, a question has followed Ringo Starr like a shadow: Is he actually any good? The question seems absurd\u2014here is a man who drummed on some of the most important recordings in popular music history, whose fills are instantly recognizable across generations, who was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice. <\/p><p>Here\u2019s the full list of the Top 13 Drummers who Rolling Stone ranked ahead of Ringo: <\/p><ul><li><p><strong>John Bonham<\/strong> (Led Zeppelin)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Keith Moon<\/strong> (The Who)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Ginger Baker<\/strong> (Cream)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Neil Peart<\/strong> (Rush)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Hal Blaine<\/strong> (session drummer\u2014appeared on ~35,000 recordings)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Clyde Stubblefield and John \u201cJabo\u201d Starks<\/strong> (James Brown)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Gene Krupa<\/strong> (jazz legend)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Steve Jordan<\/strong> (session drummer, The Rolling Stones)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Mitch Mitchell<\/strong> (Jimi Hendrix Experience)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Al Jackson Jr.<\/strong> (Booker T. &amp; the M.G.\u2019s, Stax Records)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Benny Benjamin<\/strong> (Motown\u2019s Funk Brothers)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>Charlie Watts<\/strong> (The Rolling Stones)<\/p><\/li><li><p><strong>D.J. Fontana<\/strong> (Elvis Presley)<\/p><\/li><\/ul><h3>The Buddy Rich Test<\/h3><p>If you want to understand how professional drummers view Ringo, start with Buddy Rich.<\/p><p>Rich was a jazz legend, a technical virtuoso, and famously one of the most brutally honest critics in music. He pulled no punches about anyone. When asked about Ringo\u2019s playing, Rich offered what sounds like faint praise: \u201cRingo was adequate, no more than that.\u201d<\/p><p>Coming from Buddy Rich, that\u2019s actually a compliment.<\/p><p>What Rich understood\u2014what many critics miss\u2014is that \u201cadequate\u201d for the music Ringo was playing meant something very specific. The Beatles weren\u2019t a jazz combo requiring improvisation and technical fireworks. They were a pop-rock band creating songs that needed to breathe, to groove, to serve the melody. Ringo\u2019s job wasn\u2019t to show off. His job was to make the songs better.<\/p><p>And at that, he was a genius.<\/p><h3>Grohl, Keltner, and the Gospel of Feel<\/h3><p>Dave Grohl knows something about drumming. The Nirvana and Foo Fighters founder is widely considered one of the finest rock drummers of his generation, often compared to his own heroes: Bonham, Moon, Neil Peart.<\/p><p>When asked to define the \u201cbest drummer in the world\u201d for Ringo\u2019s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tribute, Grohl cut right to the heart of the debate: \u201cIs it someone that\u2019s technically proficient? Or is it someone that sits in the song with their own feel? Ringo was the king of feel.\u201d<\/p><p>This distinction matters enormously. Technical proficiency is measurable\u2014speed, precision, complexity. Feel is something else entirely. It\u2019s knowing what a song needs and providing exactly that, nothing more. It\u2019s the difference between a drummer who plays a song and a drummer who makes a song work.<\/p><p>Jim Keltner, one of the most revered session drummers in history\u2014he\u2019s played on everything from John Lennon\u2019s <em>Imagine<\/em> to Tom Petty\u2019s <em>Full Moon Fever<\/em>\u2014put it this way: \u201cEverything Ringo played had such great, deep natural feel. He\u2019s a song drummer. Guys that sit down and they hear the song and they play appropriately for that song.\u201d<\/p><p>Lupe Flores, who drums for Wild Powwers, made the same point more bluntly: \u201cYour job as a drummer, or any musician, is to serve the song\u2014not yourself. Ringo epitomizes exactly that. Try and replace him with any other drummer, and the Beatles wouldn\u2019t have sounded like the Beatles.\u201d<\/p><p>Paul McCartney put it this way: \u201cNot technically the best by a long shot, but for feel and emotion and economy, they\u2019re always there, particularly Ringo.\u201d<\/p><h3>Bonham vs. Moon vs. Ringo: Three Philosophies<\/h3><p>To understand Ringo\u2019s place in drumming history, you have to understand what separates him from the drummers typically ranked above him.<\/p><p><strong>John Bonham<\/strong> played like a man possessed. His kick drum was a weapon, his fills were avalanches, and his sense of swing\u2014that infinitesimal delay behind the beat\u2014gave Led Zeppelin\u2019s music its enormous, lumbering power. Listen to \u201cWhen the Levee Breaks\u201d and you hear a drummer who dominates the song, who <em>is<\/em> the song in many ways. Bonham\u2019s playing demands attention. You can\u2019t ignore it any more than you could ignore a thunderstorm.<\/p><p><strong>Keith Moon<\/strong> took a different approach to domination. He abandoned the traditional role of timekeeper entirely, treating his kit as a lead instrument. Moon filled every space, crashed through every quiet moment, and created a wall of percussion that competed with Pete Townshend\u2019s guitar for sonic real estate. His playing was technically messy but emotionally overwhelming. You couldn\u2019t take your ears off him.<\/p><p><strong>Ringo<\/strong> did the opposite. He played <em>inside<\/em> songs rather than on top of them. His fills were economical, his grooves were steady, and his ego was nowhere to be found. You could listen to a Beatles song a hundred times and never think about the drumming\u2014until you tried to imagine the song without it and realized the whole thing would collapse.<\/p><p>The Beatles weren\u2019t Led Zeppelin or The Who. They were a band built on melody, harmony, and songcraft. A Bonham would have been too showy. A Moon would have been too chaotic. What they needed was exactly what they had: a drummer with impeccable feel who made every song better without drawing attention to himself.<\/p><h6><em>This essay continues below. Click on the title to view on Amazon. As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases.<\/em><\/h6><h1><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/dp\/B000V7C884?tag=bookcheapskate-20&amp;linkCode=ogi&amp;th=1&amp;psc=1\">Very Best Of Ringo<\/a><\/h1><figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com\/public\/images\/c2724687-b197-4a8a-9246-dc627db1409c_500x500.jpeg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Buy Now\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"\/><\/figure><h3>The Quote That Wouldn\u2019t Die<\/h3><p>\u201cHe\u2019s not even the best drummer in The Beatles.\u201d<\/p><p>You\u2019ve heard it attributed to <strong>John Lennon<\/strong>. Everyone has. It\u2019s become shorthand for Ringo skepticism, a devastating putdown from his own bandmate. There\u2019s just one problem: <strong>Lennon never said it.<\/strong><\/p><p>The line was actually delivered by British comedian Jasper Carrott in 1983, three years after Lennon\u2019s death. It was a joke, not a critique. But it stuck because it confirmed what many people already believed\u2014that Ringo was the lucky one, the affable sad-eyed drummer who happened to be in the right place when the original Beatles drummer, Pete Best, got fired.<\/p><p>The reality is that Lennon continued working with Ringo throughout the 1970s. He wouldn\u2019t have done that if he didn\u2019t rate him. When the Beatles needed a drummer for their big recording audition with producer George Martin, they insisted on Ringo. When Martin wanted to use a session drummer for \u201cLove Me Do,\u201d the band fought back. Ringo was their man.<\/p><h3>The Unorthodox Style<\/h3><p>Part of what makes Ringo\u2019s drumming so distinctive\u2014and so hard to replicate\u2014is that he\u2019s a left-handed drummer playing a right-handed kit.<\/p><p>Think about what that means. When a right-handed drummer executes a fill around the toms, they lead with their right hand, and the sticking flows logically around the kit. Ringo leads with his left hand, crossing over his right, creating patterns that sound and feel different from what any typical drummer would play.<\/p><p>Listen to the opening of \u201cCome Together.\u201d That iconic tom-tom intro is played in an ascending pattern\u2014floor tom to rack tom\u2014because Ringo is essentially playing \u201cbackwards.\u201d It shouldn\u2019t work. But it absolutely works. You can hear it in the first two seconds and know exactly who\u2019s playing.<\/p><p>Then there\u2019s his hi-hat technique. Most drummers play straight up-and-down quarter notes on the hi-hat. Ringo developed what\u2019s been called the \u201cwindshield wiper\u201d technique, playing in a figure-eight pattern with the hi-hats slightly open. The result is a sizzling, swinging feel that turned the hi-hat into something almost like a ride cymbal. You can hear it on \u201cI Want to Hold Your Hand,\u201d \u201cPlease Please Me,\u201d and \u201cAll My Loving\u201d\u2014songs that swing even though they\u2019re not jazz.<\/p><p>Even when a Beatles song has a straight eighth-note feel, Ringo tends to swing his fills. Listen to \u201cStrawberry Fields Forever.\u201d That unpredictability, that looseness, is intentional. It adds texture and humanity to songs that could otherwise feel mechanical.<\/p><h3>The Standout Moments<\/h3><p>Ringo himself has named \u201cRain\u201d as his best Beatles performance, and most critics agree. The 1966 B-side found him moving all around the kit with precision while remaining firmly in the pocket\u2014a technical showcase that still served the song. It\u2019s the track that proves he could play with complexity when the music called for it.<\/p><p>But some of his most brilliant work is subtler. On \u201cA Day in the Life,\u201d Ringo doesn\u2019t just keep time\u2014he plays melodically, using his toms to provide counterpoint to Paul McCartney\u2019s descending bass line. It\u2019s incredibly difficult to replicate because it requires thinking like a melodic instrumentalist, not just a timekeeper. The drummer as musician.<\/p><p>\u201cTicket to Ride\u201d showcases what fans call the \u201cRingo shuffle\u201d\u2014a wildly swung groove that John Lennon called \u201cone of the earliest heavy-metal records.\u201d If you programmed that beat into a drum machine, it would sound like J Dilla. The wonkiness is the point.<\/p><p>And then there\u2019s \u201cTomorrow Never Knows,\u201d where Ringo\u2019s lopsided breakbeat essentially invented a new way of thinking about drums in psychedelic music. His unexpected twitching snare pattern emphasizes the song\u2019s feel of psychedelic discombobulation. It\u2019s not complex, but it\u2019s perfect.<\/p><h3>The Son Who Chose Moon<\/h3><p>Here\u2019s where the story takes an unexpected turn.<\/p><p>Zak Starkey, Ringo\u2019s eldest son, grew up to become one of the most respected rock drummers of his generation. But his style is nothing like his father\u2019s. Where Ringo is subtle and song-serving, Zak is powerful and aggressive. Where Ringo influenced drummers toward restraint, Zak channels the bombast of classic rock.<\/p><p>The reason is simple: Zak\u2019s primary influence wasn\u2019t Ringo. It was Keith Moon.<\/p><p>Moon was Ringo\u2019s best friend and Zak\u2019s godfather. When Zak was a child, Moon would babysit him. \u201cKeith was like an uncle, really,\u201d Zak has said. \u201cWe would just hang out and talk about anything\u2014girls, surfing, bands, drums. He was a really fantastic guy to hang out with. He wasn\u2019t crazy in any way, except for that look in his eye. I was hanging out with my hero.\u201d<\/p><p>Ringo didn\u2019t push Zak toward drums. In fact, he expected his son to become a doctor or lawyer. But when Zak was six years old, he saw The Who perform, and his life changed. He became obsessed with drumming, spending hours listening to Keith Moon, John Bonham, and Billy Cobham. Ringo bought him a Ludwig kit for his eleventh birthday and gave him basic lessons in keeping time, but from there Zak was largely self-taught, developing his skills by playing along with records.<\/p><p><strong>The irony is rich:<\/strong> the son of the most famous \u201cfeel\u201d drummer in rock history grew up worshipping the most anarchic, technically explosive drummer of the same era.<\/p><h3>Two Drummers, Two Legacies<\/h3><p>Father and son represent two fundamentally different philosophies of drumming\u2014philosophies embodied by the two greatest British bands of the 1960s.<\/p><p>Ringo Starr proved that serving the song is its own form of genius\u2014that feel, economy, and musicality matter as much as technical virtuosity. He wasn\u2019t Bonham. He wasn\u2019t Moon. He was something else entirely: a drummer whose restraint made room for melody, whose grooves made songs swing, and whose fills became as recognizable as guitar riffs. He changed what drummers could be in rock music.<\/p><p>Zak Starkey proved that you can honor a legacy without imitating it. He took Keith Moon\u2019s explosive energy and channeled it through his own meticulous precision, filling the biggest shoes in rock drumming while still being himself. His thirty years with The Who validated everything Moon saw in him as a child.<\/p><p>Both approaches are valid. Both require mastery. And both produced some of the most important drumming in rock history.<\/p><h3>The Verdict<\/h3><p>So is Ringo Starr actually any good?<\/p><p>The question misses the point. Ringo isn\u2019t \u201cgood\u201d in the sense that John Bonham was good\u2014technically overwhelming, improvisationally brilliant. He\u2019s good in a different and equally important way: he understood what songs needed and provided exactly that, creating parts that elevated the music without calling attention to themselves.<\/p><p>Dave Grohl understood this. Jim Keltner understood this. Even Buddy Rich, in his backhanded way, understood this.<\/p><p>There are plenty of drummers with chops. There are plenty who can play faster, louder, more impressively. But there\u2019s only one Ringo\u2014a drummer who made the Beatles sound like the Beatles, who invented a style by playing \u201cwrong,\u201d and whose influence echoes through every drummer who\u2019s ever chosen the song over the solo.<\/p><p>And there\u2019s only one Zak\u2014a drummer who grew up in his father\u2019s shadow, chose his godfather\u2019s style instead, and proved himself worthy of both legacies.<\/p><p>The debate about Ringo will probably never end. But anyone who\u2019s actually listened\u2014who\u2019s heard the swing on \u201cTicket to Ride,\u201d the melodic toms on \u201cA Day in the Life,\u201d the perfect fills on \u201cRain\u201d\u2014knows the truth.<\/p><p>He was exactly the drummer the Beatles needed. Which is to say, he was exactly the drummer rock and roll needed.<\/p><p>Peace and love. &#x1f941;&#x270c;&#xfe0f;<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Why the Beatles\u2019 drummer remains rock\u2019s most debated percussionist\u2014and how his son chose a different path &#x1f941;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"amazonpipp_noncename":"","amazon-product-isactive":"","amazon-product-single-asin":"","amazon-product-content-location":"","amazon-product-content-hook-override":"","amazon-product-excerpt-hook-override":"","amazon-product-singular-only":"","amazon-product-amazon-desc":"","amazon-product-show-gallery":"","amazon-product-show-features":"","amazon-product-newwindow":"","amazon-product-show-list-price":"","amazon-product-show-used-price":"","amazon-product-show-saved-amt":"","amazon-product-timestamp":"","amazon-product-new-title":"","amazon-product-use-cartURL":"","amazon_featured_post_meta_key":"","_amazon_featured_alt":"","amazon-product-template":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true},"categories":[33,1],"tags":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2x2Mt-c9Quu","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179662762"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=179662762"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179662762\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":194564299,"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179662762\/revisions\/194564299"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=179662762"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=179662762"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.weberbooks.com\/kindle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=179662762"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}